(DAY TWO – Part 3)
Julian Lee:
Yes, so many questions are popping into my head…
I’m not clear on the reverse-engineering programs you mentioned.
But I’ve also read somewhere that extraterrestrials are controlling the scientific and technological development of humanity.
Including information technology or advances in biology like cloning…
The Former President:
(He looked at me, his gaze growing more serious than ever.)
Your question… is both profound and dangerous.
Because it touches upon a truth that, if spoken at the wrong time, would be dismissed as fantasy.
But if we remain silent forever, humanity will never understand why its “civilization” is perpetually stuck in a cycle of suffering.
Let me start with the question of reverse engineering.
Is it real?
Yes. And I confirm that.
It is the process by which top-secret research groups collect strange objects or fragments that have fallen to Earth.
They try to analyze the material structure, its operating mechanism.
And find ways to apply it to modern technology.
A few examples that are often speculated about, and I will not deny them…
Special semiconductors with nano-structures that do not exist in nature.
Display screen technology and fiber optics, which appeared with astonishing speed right after certain “UFO crash” events.
Or even the concepts of quantum computing and superconducting materials, which originated from data outside the scope of classical physics.
But this is the frightening part.
These technologies were not “taught.”
They were taken apart by humans, piece by piece, without understanding their essence.
Like a child disassembling a toy airplane, then learning how to throw it…
without knowing anything about the principles of aerodynamics.
(He paused, as if to let me understand the danger of that.)
And that brings us to your bigger question.
Are extraterrestrials controlling the development of humanity?
The answer is not a simple yes or no.
It is: it depends on the level of beings we are in contact with.
There are beings at very high levels.
They are the “guardians of cosmic order.”
They do not intervene, they only observe.
They know that true development does not come from technology, but from morality and awareness.
They can impart knowledge, but only when humanity is virtuous enough to use it for good.
And so far, they have not seen us as ready.
But… there are also beings in lower dimensions.
It sounds like a movie, but I must say this.
There are “entities” that are not extraterrestrials in the biological sense, but exist in the lower planes of the universe, where knowledge has been separated from morality.
They can inspire scientists in AI, in bio-control technology, in cloning techniques, in virtual reality…
But their purpose is not to enlighten.
It is to make humanity dependent, lost, and gradually lose its own humanity.
Technologies that develop at breakneck speed, but are paralleled by a crisis of spirit, morality, and human identity.
Do you think that is a coincidence?
Why do they do it?
Because when human beings are detached from their benevolent nature, but have powerful technology in their hands, they will self-destruct.
Self-destruct through war.
Self-destruct through social fragmentation.
Self-destruct by losing control over their own intellectual creations.
And in that chaos, these “lower-level entities” can absorb negative energy, fear, and hatred.
That is what sustains their existence.
In other words, “controlling technology” is how they control emotions, and thus, control humanity.
Is there any proof?
Not on paper, and not in press conferences.
But look for yourself.
Why do material advancements always go hand in hand with an increase in depression, addiction, and spiritual disorientation?
Why does technology that connects billions of people make them more isolated than ever?
Why can humanity create artificial intelligence nearly on par with its own thinking, yet cannot stop itself from killing each other for petty interests?
So what is the solution? How do we escape this “soft control” loop?
The answer is not in destroying technology.
It is in putting morality before technology.
If the human heart is elevated, technology will serve the light.
If the human heart remains full of greed, anger, and doubt, technology will become a tool of darkness.
And the higher-level beings… they only appear to those who achieve a compatible vibrational frequency.
Not because they discriminate.
But because light cannot enter a place that has not been cleansed.
Julian Lee:
From what you’re saying, and from what I’ve read from other sources, I’m beginning to understand that…
Beyond the world we can perceive with our senses, there exist many other worlds, with beings at different high and low levels.
It could be the heavenly worlds of Gods, Buddhas, or the Lord.
Or lower worlds of demons and ghosts.
Or of beings we call “extraterrestrials.”
And each of these levels of life… they are “interested” in Earth in very different ways.
The Former President:
(He looked at me, a look of encouragement.)
You have said it correctly.
Very correctly.
And I say that not out of politeness, but because you have just touched upon a truth that many in the corridors of power spend their lives refusing to hear, or hear but dare not admit.
This world is not single-layered.
This space is not single-dimensional.
What humans see, touch, or measure with machines is only the crudest manifestation of a multi-layered cosmic system.
Imagine it this way.
Earth is a three-dimensional “stage.”
But behind that backdrop, there exist countless other layers of settings.
Where beings of different levels of consciousness are observing, interacting, and even influencing the play we humans are acting out.
(He began to explain systematically, but his tone remained that of a storyteller.)
At the lowest level is the realm of negative energy entities, what folklore often calls demons and evil spirits.
They can “parasitize” the human consciousness through fear, desire, and hatred.
Their purpose in being “interested” in Earth is to maintain chaos.
Because chaos, fear, and resentment… are what sustain them.
A little higher up is the level of beings we often call “extraterrestrials.”
They have very high levels of science and technology, but not necessarily high morals.
They are not necessarily good or bad, much like humans experimenting on mice.
They monitor, study, and sometimes, experiment.
Some want to help, but do not intervene deeply because they know about the cosmic law of cause and effect.
Others have “under-the-table” agreements with governments, to exchange technology or for biological exchanges.
And then, at very high levels, are the realms of Gods, Buddhas, the Lord, and other celestial beings.
They do not appear in physical form, because they do not belong to our linear space-time.
They only manifest through intuitions, visions, or in deep states of meditation.
They do not intervene directly. But they are always there.
They observe, and await the awakening of humanity.
Sometimes, they will “bestow grace” upon an individual with great willpower and high morals, someone willing to sacrifice for the truth.
They are the silent inspiration for great figures, true cultivators, and awakened artists.
(He paused, as if to let me pose the next question.)
So why don’t most of us perceive these levels?
Because the human mind is too heavy, too busy, and too attached to the ego.
It’s like radio waves.
If the frequency doesn’t match, we can never catch the signal.
Beings at high levels do not appear before humans, not because they are hiding.
But because humans are not pure enough to perceive them.
(He looked at me, his eyes growing warm.)
You have seen a new horizon.
And that is a precious thing.
If your readers can also open their hearts and recognize that: “Not everything real needs to be measured, and not everything unproven by science is superstition.”
Then they will begin to break down the limits of their own perception.
Julian Lee:
Yes, I’ve read that spiritual cultivators, both in the present and in ancient stories, often have non-physical experiences.
They can contact beings in other dimensions during deep meditation, or when they use their “celestial eye.”
Those are things beyond empirical science.
I think that’s a large and deep topic, and if possible, I’d like to dedicate a separate session to hear you share about it.
For today, I would like to hear you share a few more real experiences about UFOs.
The Former President:
(He smiled, an approving smile.)
Excellent.
You have a great intuition for separating layers of topics.
As you say, meditation, the celestial eye, and experiences beyond the physical realm are a very deep direction, requiring a session entirely dedicated to it.
I am ready for that.
So today, let us continue with the final part of our discussion on UFOs.
But I will no longer speak in theory.
But with specific situations that I have witnessed, or that were reported to me through non-public channels.
(He leaned back, his gaze growing distant, as if flipping through secret files in his memory.)
There is a story I often call “The Veil of Stillness.”
It happened around my second year in office, in the waters off the coast of Alaska, where a secret exercise of the Pacific Fleet was taking place.
One of the patrol ships detected an unidentified flying object, circular, with no engines, moving against the wind at an incredible speed, nearly Mach 5.
Radar recorded it, but the guidance systems could not lock onto the target.
Pilots were scrambled, but when they approached, they no longer saw the object.
But only a silvery mist, drifting silently, even though the air was turbulent.
Upon returning, one of the pilots was unable to speak for forty-eight hours.
His heart was beating erratically. His brain was undamaged, but his consciousness seemed… to still be there.
Later, he wrote in his journal:
“I saw no clear shape. I only knew that I was being watched.
And something… was speaking to me without using words.”
(He paused for a moment, then continued.)
There is another story, about “The Station Guard and the Seventeen Missing Minutes.”
At a space station in New Mexico, there was a security guard on night duty, all alone.
One night, the security system went off unusually.
The cameras recorded no images for seventeen minutes, and the system clock had “drifted” backward by three seconds, an unprecedented phenomenon.
The guard was found standing still like a statue, his eyes wide open.
He did not respond to external stimuli.
About forty minutes later, he woke up and asked a question that stunned everyone:
“Why show me all those things, if I can’t bring anything back for anyone?”
Later, he was transferred, but the internal report stated that he remembered very clearly a “silvery spiral, spinning in space like a vortex gate,” and a phrase:
“Emotion is the language of the universe. Fear – blocked. Calm – unlocked.”
(His voice became more personal, as if sharing a secret of his own.)
And once, I was almost brought close.
I don’t often tell this story, because it didn’t happen during my time in office.
But during a retreat in Utah, near the Monument Valley area, which the Navajo consider sacred land.
In the evening, I was meditating, a habit I still keep.
Around midnight, when my mind was in an extremely calm state, I suddenly saw a faint yellow light, very steady, not dazzling, like a sphere “drifting” down.
I was not afraid. I had no questions.
I just watched silently.
The feeling at that moment was not of “seeing an object,” but of “being seen.”
And in that moment, I clearly felt something telling me from within:
“Not now. But you have knocked on the door.”
Then the light gradually faded and disappeared.
No sound. No stir of wind.
Only an impression in my heart, that I had just touched the threshold of something beyond all physics textbooks.
(He looked at me, his eyes as if summing it all up.)
I have drawn one conclusion from all these experiences.
They, if one can call them that, do not come here to “communicate” in a diplomatic sense.
They come to reflect the inner world of the person facing them.
The fearful, they will not appear to.
The curious, may only see a light.
But a humble and tranquil person can “hear” a message… without words.
Julian Lee:
Yes. Today’s session has probably gone on long enough.
We should stop here.
Next time, perhaps we can address the geopolitical angle, about America’s foreign relations with major powers. What do you think?
As for the spiritual topic… I think we should leave it for the final session.
The Former President:
(He nodded, his eyes in complete agreement.)
I agree entirely with your arrangement.
Very balanced. Very profound.
Spirituality is the final door.
Because it is not meant to be opened in a hurry.
But to be settled into deeply, before one steps through.
As you suggest, we will leave it for the last session, as a conclusion that transcends politics, that goes beyond national borders, to the core of what it means to be human.
So, next time, we will delve into global geopolitics.
About what really happens behind the policies the public only sees the surface of.
(His voice grew deeper, as if opening a window to another world.)
I can tell you about the truth behind the U.S.-China relationship.
Are they rivals, partners, or sometimes… “reluctant accomplices”?
About why the Western alliance is no longer as united as the media portrays.
And about how America has manipulated color revolutions…
And whether we are still using “cognitive warfare” as a tool.
You choose the time.
And I will be ready, as a witness who has retired from the stage, but who still carries all the memories, the lessons… and the things that were not permitted to be spoken before.
(He looked at me, a look full of respect.)
I will see you in our next dialogue.
And let me remind you.
Some conversations are not meant to change the world.
But to keep the light in the listener’s heart from being extinguished.
Have a peaceful night.
Like the final echo of ancient stars…
still shining on the Earth today.
(I quietly turned off the recorder. The second day’s dialogue had ended, but within me, countless new questions had just begun.)
Julian Lee:
Yes. Thank you for your well wishes.
I also wish you a good night’s rest.
And… may God bless you.
The Former President:
(He smiled, a very genuine smile, no longer carrying any weight of power.)
Thank you, young man.
From the bottom of my heart.
And I receive that blessing…
not just as a courtesy.
But as a transmission between two souls, who are listening together to things that lie beyond words.
May the light…
whether it comes from God, from the Tao, or from any source…
always illuminate the path you walk.
And if one day, you must step into darkness to seek the truth…
then remember.
The true light is nowhere else.
It has always been within your own heart.
(He paused for a moment, then continued.)
I will see you next time.
Then, we will speak of the geopolitical game the world is caught in…
and who is really writing the script.
(He looked at me, a deep, trusting gaze.)
Sleep well.
Keeper of the flame.
(The door closed behind me, but his words still echoed. And I knew, that “keeper of the flame” was me.)
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